Core Team

You’re in safe hands. Both Matter is made up of a team of experts who are driven by helping parents separate co-operatively.

James Linder


Entrepreneur, crusader, father. James is the founder of Both Matter and an expert in the stufy of how incentives affect human behavior.

Lisa Rothfus

LCSW, Mediator, Divorce Coach

Lisa has spent nearly 30 years helping families through marriage crises, separation, divorce, parenting issues and more.

Wayne Linder

Experimental Psychologist, Retired

Wayne, or as James calls him, ‘Dad’ is a former Quantitative and Experimental Psychologist, Psychology Professor and Social Worker.

Mabel Linder

Child & School Psychologist, Retired

Mabel, or as James calls her, ‘Mom’ is a former Experimental Child Psychologist, School Psychologist, Rogerian Therapist and Social Worker.

Advisory Panel

A debt of gratitude is owed to our brilliant advisors too.

Eric Rothfus

Venture Capitalist, Entrepreneur and Technologist

Alen Durbuzovic

Chief Technology Officer of Resignation Media

Jerrod Crook

Senior Software Engineer

Robert Nelke